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Col
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:13 am Reply with quote
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Windy Shepard Henderson wrote:
Its not as if we can vote out the world bank.


Definitely a fair point.
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colmtesticles
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:16 am Reply with quote
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Brutus wrote:

another thing I find gas and exposes the extreme brashness of it all, say if I wanted to get funding to study a rare type of ciliates in the north irish sea..and got nowhere ,right... well to throw in the global warming thing and state I was a friend of the irish enviroment and want to prevent extinction of these yokes etc etc well begob, Id have instant funding...its almost like a short cut of getting your own way just because its the current fashion of worries ... once again Im NOT saying nature isnt important ..its all we have!!! but I find the tactics used to heighten awareness very manipulative and theyre profiting from it big time,

im starting to grow veg end of spring, interestingly enough I havent seen much encouragement for people to become more self reliant on growing their own food??


Correlation does not mean cause and effect. Its something that is always confused by conspiracy nuts. im not saying you are one or think this but ive seen this reason being used by people as "evidence" that global warming is being exaggerated....

Yes, funding is more likely to go to global warming related research but it means nothing more than scientists are being as creative as they always have in trying to get funding.

Im sorry to say that Science is not like music.Mainstream science is mainstream because many many scientists (who tend to know a thing or two) agree with it. "Underground" non mainstream science is usually there because its not correct, or is not backed up with enough evidence.

Things would be way easier for goverments if they could continue burning as much coal as possible. They wouldnt have to invest trillions in things like NIF or ITER that will not show any type of return for 50+ years....when most of em are dead anyway.


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Scarface
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:22 am Reply with quote
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only factual data is real
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colmtesticles
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:24 am Reply with quote
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i was waiting for the first "extreme underground quantum theory of condensed matter" joke
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Byron
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:53 am Reply with quote
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colmtesticles wrote:
i was waiting for the first "extreme underground quantum theory of condensed matter" joke


Only M theory is troo.
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Col
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:20 am Reply with quote
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Era VulgaChris wrote:
1) Will going green do more damage to the world than good?

2) Will going green save you or cost you money?

3) Will the implementation of an entirely new energy infrastructure create or eliminate jobs?

Answer those three questions and then give me one good reason why the fuck you would argue against going green...........even if man made global warming was a complete farce.

I was genuinely shocked to see FG coming out with their €10billion, 100,000 job creating speel the other day because it is exactly what needs to be done. Whatever your personal (and of course I'm assuming entirely indepth scientifically comprehending) views on the matter, the solution to the global economic crisis and the global energy crisis - are the same fucking solution!

Renewable energy is the new super industry and, barring everyone joining the Venus Project, it is the only thing of a big enough scope to dredge everyone out of the current mire of shit we're all drowning in. Supposedly.


Absolutely.
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Brutus
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:45 am Reply with quote
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colmtesticles wrote:


Correlation does not mean cause and effect. Its something that is always confused by conspiracy nuts. im not saying you are one or think this but ive seen this reason being used by people as "evidence" that global warming is being exaggerated....

Yes, funding is more likely to go to global warming related research but it means nothing more than scientists are being as creative as they always have in trying to get funding.

Im sorry to say that Science is not like music.Mainstream science is mainstream because many many scientists (who tend to know a thing or two) agree with it. "Underground" non mainstream science is usually there because its not correct, or is not backed up with enough evidence.





Are we really dealing with hard science or hard politics?

I think common sense has been hijacked

You say that the well respected scientific establishment only speaks the gospel of true science and show the legitimate facts and anyone who is unknown and disagrees with it are a shower of loopers..but what about the well known scientists who disagree with this current accepted view , and are being outright shunned?? theres no balance in the argument, there seems to be a real bully attitude to shut up anyone with an alternative view to it all....

Its not just conspiracy "nuts" who hold this view by the way


David Bellamy - renowned botanist, author, broadcaster, and environmental campaigner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU_AZ--tg7Y

from his biog

"In May 2007 Bellamy and Jack Barrett jointly authored a paper in the refereed Civil Engineering journal of the Institution of Civil Engineers entitled “Climate stability: an inconvenient proof”. In this report they argue that the widely prophesied doubling of carbon dioxide levels from natural, pre-industrial levels was not only unlikely but would also amount to less than 1 degree C of global warming"

Article on the Second International Conference on Climate Change
http://3pts.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/czech-president-blasts-the-mythical-global-warming-alarmism/

"“The believers in this hypothesis are not able to explain why the global temperature increased from 1918 to 1940, decreased from 1940 to 1976, increased from 1976 to 1998 and decreased from 1998 to the present, irrespective of the fact that people have been adding increasing amounts of CO2 to the atmosphere.”

prominent naysayers in the climate change debate conference in New York included
William Gray, Jack Schmitt,Fred Singer,Christopher Booker,Christopher Monckton,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/mar/09/climate-change-deniers


2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved - Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3982101/2008-was-the-year-man-made-global-warming-was-disproved.html

What Im uneasy about is the control which will advance in the name of global warming prevention, and as it turns out their conclusion to the problem may well be YOU ,so no surprise with what they will bring forward

Its a catch 22,although alot of people will certainly become more enthusiastic about the enviroment ...keep an eye out on all the sudden green banner corporations and see whose gaining big time from all this,

Please dont get me wrong Im not against ideas to help improve the current enviromental toxic sludge we're in Im just weary of con artful dodgers placing a useless tax on people with a bogus story to go with it


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bossisdead
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:52 am Reply with quote
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Going green should be promoted and practised by everyone in whatever way they can.There's so much about the process that pisses me off though.Like why there is technology readily available for kids in africa to have their $100 laptops powered by solar energy,when I'm sitting here with mine plugged into the wall. It's good that governments are starting out technology in these deprived countries on the right foot, but where is our investment? I hear if you want to build a new house now you have to install a certain percentage of renewable energy resources, thats great, but for all the homes already built,compared to how many are currently in production, what difference is this really going to make,even 10 years from now? We've had our economic boom with the celtic tiger,and now with a recession in place it's clear that stabilization of what is in place is where the countries finances are going to point,but companies like the ESB and British Gas aren't going to knock down their prices and help the little guy to boil his own kettle. rant over

watched a few of those zietgiest docu's, really enjoyed part 3 "the men behind the curtain"
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Era VulgaChris
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:22 pm Reply with quote
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Elaine; simply put going green is better for the environment. It will make our air and water cleaner and safer. Maybe the alarmism is being hyped to drive profit but as far as I can see, in this case, there is no collateral damage to that - the corporations are exploiting something that will actually do good. Corporations are there to exploit anything that will generate profit, that does NOT necessarily mean that everything they exploit is bad simply by association.

If a cure for cancer, AIDS, leprosy, the common cold etc was discovered tomorrow then corporations would be there to make as much money out of it as possible. Wouldn't mean that the cure didn't work.
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hemlock666
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:41 pm Reply with quote
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Well theres a consensus that global warming is directly as a result of CO2 released by humans burning fossil fuels. This may be the case but it simply hasn't been proven. When you factor in solar activity, cosmic radiation, Il Nino, natural climate cycles, and geological & oceanic factors (which jump up & down all the time) then what were being told as fact is actually at best an educated guess.
Obviously the its better for the enviornment that we reduce emissions, but this whole thing is being fasttracked through based on what could be flawed reasoning. If they're wrong about the cause, can they be positive about the cure? Surely it would be better to research this to its fullest extent before deciding on an all encompassing global strategy. Especially since there are accepted experts who disagree with the whole thing. If this is a mistake wouldn't the billions being spent on it be better spent on education & healthcare?
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Scarface
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:53 pm Reply with quote
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bossisdead wrote:
Going green should be promoted and practised by everyone in whatever way they can.There's so much about the process that pisses me off though.Like why there is technology readily available for kids in africa to have their $100 laptops powered by solar energy,when I'm sitting here with mine plugged into the wall. It's good that governments are starting out technology in these deprived countries on the right foot, but where is our investment? I hear if you want to build a new house now you have to install a certain percentage of renewable energy resources, thats great, but for all the homes already built,compared to how many are currently in production, what difference is this really going to make,even 10 years from now?


putting your massive assumption that photovoltaics are economically viable for micro-generation aside for the moment, in the UK at least, there has been plenty of investment. i'm fairly sure there are still grants available for microgeneration, and there's been an exemption on stamp duty for zero carbon homes (or what the government defines as zero carbon) up until 2012.

the main change is the energy performance certificates, which were adopted last year, rating your home A-G in terms of carbon emissions and efficiency. you're legally required to have one if you want to sell or let a building. there is no legal requirement for renewables at the moment, it only has to meet the recently upgraded building regs, but renewables would be required in order to get an A rated home (alongside air-tightness and super-insulation). The idea is that better rated homes will sell for much more because they will be cheaper to run in the long-term, while with a crap house the estate agent will be more likely to deduct the cost of improving the rating from the value.

so nah-nah-nah-nah-nah
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colmtesticles
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:02 pm Reply with quote
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photo voltaics will not solve our energy needs. They are not efficient enough. Just go through some of the numbers.
Photocollectors seem a more viable option but need to be large scale and are unsightly.

There is some interesting research going in to making dye shifted photovoltaics that are actually partially transparent to visible light. So they could be used in windows.

In reality though the only sure fire way to reduce CO2 effectively and quickly is nuclear. The technology is all already there and it is by far the safest large scale energy source.

Its not the final answer though and who knows how that might come about. most probably with fusion.
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Scarface
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:21 pm Reply with quote
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i'm not a big fan of micro-generation full stop - primarily because 99% of the information out there is bullshit peddled by rival companies. you can achieve a hell of a lot more savings by pumping your money into insulation and design for decent passive solar gains.

there's some interesting examples of it working over at mont-cenis centre in germany - big glass case, using pv cells to provide internal shading. it actually generates more power than the building uses and sells the excess back to the grid. but in terms of small scale domestic use, it's useless at present. my main problem with pv technology is the disposal of the storage batteries and the semiconductors.

solar panels for domestic hot water, however, are fucking deadly. you can make a mildly crap one yourself out of an old radiator painted black and a bit of copper piping too, if you're a total knacker.
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Era VulgaChris
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:24 pm Reply with quote
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Now there's a series we can sell to Channel 5 - Eco-Gypsies!
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colmtesticles
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:27 pm Reply with quote
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Ever in Turkey?
Every gaf's hot water is heated by this method.
Wont really work too well over here though.
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