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| DM666 |
 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:03 pm |
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| This one's for anybody that knows about the concept of drum machines: What would be the best way to go in terms of obtaining drum programming? And what would be the best drum machine to go with? |
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| Padraig |
| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:15 pm |
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| you'd be much better off going with a laptop and some virtual instrument than a drum machine. They generally sound really fake. If you have a laptop and some kind of program for writing midi you can created much better and realistic tracks with ease. |
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| Hellvomit |
| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:23 pm |
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| Anyone know of any free ones that can be downloaded that are even half decent? The simpler to use the better. I'm utterly inept with this kind of stuff. |
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| Paddysclosed |
| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:25 pm |
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Hellvomit wrote: Anyone know of any free ones that can be downloaded that are even half decent? The simpler to use the better. I'm utterly inept with this kind of stuff.
EZ Drummer or Addictive Drums are both pretty cheap, and easy enough to get decent results with. They'd be the minimum you'd want to use though. |
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| LordCrumb |
| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:59 pm |
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i use ezdrummer with the drum kit from hell plugin on cubase. not free of course but it sounds class. easy to program too in cubase.
I think most audio software comes with a built in midi editor including free ones. The plugins are where you may need to spend some cash. Generally anything free in terms of drum plugins are proabably going to sound atrocious. Could be wrong though. |
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| Incarnadine86 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:32 am |
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LordCrumb wrote: i use ezdrummer with the drum kit from hell plugin on cubase. not free of course but it sounds class. easy to program too in cubase.
I think most audio software comes with a built in midi editor including free ones. The plugins are where you may need to spend some cash. Generally anything free in terms of drum plugins are proabably going to sound atrocious. Could be wrong though.
Was just about to ask about that program and that plugin, I've a pain in the arse programming loops through the hyper editor in logic pro, would it be quicker than doing that? I'd prefer a more efficient way of making drum tracks, I do be exhausted and don't want to anything else by the time I have them how I want them. |
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| skadk666 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:41 pm |
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Incarnadine86 wrote: LordCrumb wrote: i use ezdrummer with the drum kit from hell plugin on cubase. not free of course but it sounds class. easy to program too in cubase.
I think most audio software comes with a built in midi editor including free ones. The plugins are where you may need to spend some cash. Generally anything free in terms of drum plugins are proabably going to sound atrocious. Could be wrong though.
Was just about to ask about that program and that plugin, I've a pain in the arse programming loops through the hyper editor in logic pro, would it be quicker than doing that? I'd prefer a more efficient way of making drum tracks, I do be exhausted and don't want to anything else by the time I have them how I want them.
EzDrummer is really simple to use and comes with tonnes of midi beats that you can drag into your track or a midi editor and fuck around with. Makes it really easy to get the beat you want if you have something to start with. I highly recommend it! |
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| Incarnadine86 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:48 pm |
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| What turned me onto it actually was hearing Devin Townsend say he used it for Ziltoid and the drums sound excellent on that, I've no problem programming them their just has to be an easier way, will check it out! |
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| skadk666 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:59 pm |
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| Also Meshuggah on "I" and "Catch 33" are Ez Drummer. And they sound amazing! |
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| Incarnadine86 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:07 pm |
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| Didn't know they used it on I, I love the snare when it initially breaks into the song on I, hmmm shall definitely check it out now... |
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| skadk666 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:43 pm |
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Think of the start of I, the triplets on the kicks /toms, they where programed by Haake and the they just cust and past them to make that long tom/double kick intro. And its pretty random, they dont have a pattern to it. Haake himself said there would be no way he could actually play it! Haha!
But yeah they sound awesome! |
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| LordCrumb |
| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:02 pm |
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Incarnadine86 wrote: LordCrumb wrote: i use ezdrummer with the drum kit from hell plugin on cubase. not free of course but it sounds class. easy to program too in cubase.
I think most audio software comes with a built in midi editor including free ones. The plugins are where you may need to spend some cash. Generally anything free in terms of drum plugins are proabably going to sound atrocious. Could be wrong though.
Was just about to ask about that program and that plugin, I've a pain in the arse programming loops through the hyper editor in logic pro, would it be quicker than doing that? I'd prefer a more efficient way of making drum tracks, I do be exhausted and don't want to anything else by the time I have them how I want them.
I just do everything from scratch with copy and paste and messing with note velocities for dynamics. Probably helps if you are a drummer cause you know where to put the notes without having to trial and error too much. Although that should becoome second nature if you do it often enough. I can put a full drum track together in a few minutes if the parts were already worked out before hand. Most of the work will be copy and paste for a not too fancy drum part. |
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| Vortex |
| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:49 am |
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| connorputrefy |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:49 pm |
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| interesting. i bought an alesis sr-16 there the other day purely writing a few power ballads at silly speeds. i have to say its a cool device, very cool. i lost 3 hours of my evening listening to drum loops. I have no real experience with drum programming. I have had a few gos messing around with drum kit from hell but for some home jammin i couldnt recommend the sr-16 more. Sure,if you quantise everything, of course its gonna sound fake because lets face it no one plays absolutely perfect. But if you alternate velocities and do all your cymbals/rolls by hand,it has a more natural feel. pretty cool |
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| Paddysclosed |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:29 pm |
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| I had an SR-16 years ago, and I loved it. A simple trick to make drums sound more natural in a sequencer is to randomise the amount of quantising used. |
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