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| Ariaga 2 |
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| Just reading the story in the Independent there, after the attack the lads all headed to a 24hr Tesco to get something to eat. No remorse whatsoever. Bring back the death penalty already. |
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| BobbyTheBuzz |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:36 am |
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I actually felt sick when i saw this on the news the other night...
Could happen to any of us at any time....how does a guy with 55 convictions (at 21 years old!) walk the fucking streets!
Its a fuckin disgrace that this guy could be out in 10 years time....
and his bird shouting at the camera, these people just dont give a fuck, there's no remorse there at all from this scum. |
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| Caller of the Black |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:38 am |
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Our society has set the bar so low in terms of expectations for people from particular backgrounds. Someone like Joe O'Reilly genuinely shocks the country but with this Morgan fucker and his mates its like it was a matter of time until they did something like this. Or with the Padraig Nally case, its the man defending his home who becomes the cause celebre while its barely questioned as to why the other man had attempted numerous break-ins to the property previously - "he's a traveller, it's in his nature."
This stuff is becoming so regular as to be normalised. |
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| PatrickReborn |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:41 am |
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Makes you sick reading that... fuck!
I remember a former roommate of mine and his friends being attacked, unprovoked, by a bunch of low-life scum, much like these. He was badly beaten, coulpled with being thrown into a bonfire causing serious burns, while his friends, both male and female, were beaten to a pulp. Not one lad was arrested, despite this incident not being an isolated one. I believe one of the attackers was serving a sentence which enabled him to released on the weekends...  |
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| Hellvomit |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:29 am |
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Never ceases to depress me reading shit like this. Was just talking about this with a lad I train with the other day. He gave up working doors because of the increase in people coming at him with bottles, knives and even guns. It's really something that has gathered momentm over the last 15 years or so. People always fought obviously, but this level of violence was far from normal even when I started hanging around town as a teenager. If you got bashed by a few lads over something you didn't need an ambulance after. Nowadays everybody knows people who have got at least one fairly bad kicking over absolutely nothing. Mate of mine had his jaw wired shut for two months after being attacked on Pearse St just before Christmas.
Seems to be the same in the UK regarding the inability to lock people up who have no place walking the street. Mate of mine was telling me about a gang robbing people at knifepoint on the tranis over the course of a few months before. When they were eventually caught only one of the cunts got prison, and it was fuck all of a sentence anyway. 9 months or something. Probably out after an afternoon. |
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| richardanthonyc |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:49 am |
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I was walking through temple bar just before christmas after coming back from the cinema, ont he way to a friends bar when just as I was walking onto the Plaza of central bank I noticed some scumbag out of the corner of my eye with his arm raised. I instinctively ducked an instead of getting my head, he smashed his galss bottle on my neck. I just lept of walking and didn't report it because 1. He would have glassed me if I made an issue of it and 2. The Guards would have done nothing anyway.
When will society say enough is enough? |
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| Ariaga 2 |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:52 am |
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The level of violence is terrifying. It really seems like this type of individual will not stop until the victim is dead. They have no fear of sentencing and show no remorse. Something fundamentally wrong there.
A hiding is one thing, but with this type of beating if the victim survives they'd be in horrific condition. |
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| Bane |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:55 am |
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richardanthonyc wrote: I just lept of walking and didn't report it because 1. He would have glassed me if I made an issue of it and 2. The Guards would have done nothing anyway.
You're a dope. I'm not saying An Garda Síochána are knights in shining armour but to say they would have done nothing is ridiculous. There was an unprovoked attack made on you by a scumbag with a glass bottle. What's to say that scumbag didn't stay there and end up glassing some other innocent bastard later on in the night. Typical attitude in this country... how do you expect the Guards to help you if you don't report something like that?? |
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| Caomhaoin |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:58 am |
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When you hear things like 'I danced on his head', and 'we just wanted to give him a few slaps' being used in a courtroom and the complete lack of compassion or empathy from the pond life that did something so repulsive to a complete stranger, it makes you feel genuinely depressed at the direction of society.
I wouldn't be against stringing them up from a big crane, like in Iran, after a solid servng of 'slaps' from a whip of course, and let them dangle for half an hour, being strangled slowly and aganoizingly. No long drops or lethal injections. Suffering. |
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| pedro |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:05 am |
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I live in Spain now and my god does the country have far more problems than Ireland but one thing that is treated very seriously is raising your hand to someone, we simply seem to accept it..ah sure it toughens you up. But apart from the shitholes that exist in every country you can walk around Madrid centre at all hours of the morning and never feel like you could be attacked in ways like this.
Yes there is robbery and knives are produced but this type of unprovoked, lets kick the fuck out of him for the craic stuff just doesnt seem to exist. I have lived here a year and I´ve seen one slapping match outside a nightclub one night..very soft. I came home to Drogheda at Christmas, walked across the town and the first thing I saw was 2 guys punching ths shit out of each other in front of the biggest nightclub in the town, where everybody knows there´s problems all the time and no fucken cop or anything in sight. It´s sad and honestly its simply because nobody gives a fuck.
Now I can blame all the things in teh world, bad upbringing, social alienation etc but I´m starting to turn against that concept more and more. We have free education here(Ireland), you can even go to university almost for free here, up until a few years ago you could spit and find a job, single mothers are housed, the doel allows for a frugal but somewhat comfortable life when you compare it against other countries, we have no MAJOR ghettos to rival the likes of Paris, Madrid, London and yet this shit continued and continues.
I lived in the States for a while and while we dont want law enforcement like exists there, in other ways theres a lot to be said for it. You break the law, you will pay. Working in a nightclub one night and what can only be described a riot broke out and I´m not lying when I say in 5 minutes the local cops had arrived, battoned down the hatches, lads on the ground with handcuffs behind their backs, bruises all over them..it was frightening and yet very very impressive. Whats fucked up is that Ireland can be a great country and yet theres a level of antisocial crime that just beggars belief. We need to look at everything from TV to music, accepted social norms, work-life balance, the family, all sorts of shit if we want to fight this issue. The problem is that for the vast majority of people the issue doesnt exist, it´s just the way we are.. |
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| Hellvomit |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:12 am |
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Quote: stringing them up from a big crane, like in Iran, after a solid servng of 'slaps' from a whip
It'd take something like that to scare some of these cunts into behaving themselves. Don't think that'd even be enough for half them though. Life is cheap to cunts like that and there's fuck all that's going to change that kind of wiring. A girl I work with was having a 21st for her daughter a couple of years back and there was a bit of trouble with some ex of the daughters showing up. Some other chap asks her if she wants him killed, just like he'd ask if she wanted smokes from the shop or something. No such thing as going out to the car park for a digging match and then the problem's resolved anymore. |
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| Dread Pirate Sid |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:33 am |
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There is no current penal deterrent worth a fuck to this ever-increasing behaviour and mind-set. Light sentences and jail facilities that are ever more geared to the comfort of the prisoner add to the already existant sense of entitlement born of second/third-generation dole scum. Don't bother going to school because you'll be getting a hand-out and free accomodation from the state anyway. Just steal anything you like the look of because the worst that will happen is a slap on the wrist. Kick the fuck out of anyone who even looks in your direction because it's your right to do so. Laugh at those stupid mugs who go to work all day to pay for your lifestyle. Spawn a handful of useless uneducated brats to follow in your sponging footsteps. It's your right. It's your entitlement.
How much longer to we have to wait before the governments in these islands address this social decay? Will it be when all of us losers who actually get up and go to work in jobs we hate, to pay for stuff we need, decide to join in and drop out too?
I read this article when it was first posted and it disgusted me. Not just the violence, but the mindset of the perpetrators. Their normalisation of attacking a complete stranger for no other reason than their own entertainment? The fact that a 21 year old can have 55 convictions and still be at large. There is no fear of the law when you actually have nothing to lose. Even the concept of liberty means nothing when 3 meals a day, free gym, pool table and playstation hanging out with all your other low-life mates is "on the house". Sure, where else would you get it?
As for a solution, where to begin? The whole society is sick. Working backwards from stiffer sentences and less congenial jail facilities, the sense of entitlement needs addressed. Free housing and money for bringing absolutely nothing to the table yourself has to be curtailed. That's not what the welfare system was established to do. Long-term career spongers need weeded out of the system. And rather than be concerned with upholding the rights of the criminal, lets assume they have decided to forgo these since they exist outside regular society, and concentrate on protecting the weaker and less fortunate, ie those they prey on.
And fire them all out of a cannon into the mouth of a volcano, obviously. Scumbags. |
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| Leather Mike |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:37 am |
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| As has been previously said, the whole thing boils down to a blatant lack of respect for people, human life and the law. Scum like this, all over the island, walk around thinking they can do whatever the fuck they want because there are no real repercussions. It starts early in life – parents not giving a fuck leading to kids having no sense of right and wrong, growing up with a chip on their shoulder thinking that they’re above conforming to certain standards of behaviour. As regards the sentencing, its again typical of the fucking namby-pamby bleeding heart do gooders that run the place. People fucking pleading human rights and rehabilitation and all that shite. Fuck that, give them a REAL scare. People need to learn that the law is there for a reason and if they break it they WILL pay. As regards the manslaughter pleas in this case, it’s utter bullshit. This was an unprovoked, barbaric and sustained assault that lead directly to an innocent man’s death. How is that not murder? I tell you one thing, for all that we laugh at Americans, they have the right idea as regards crime and punishment. In the states, this would be murder one, no questions asked, death penalty. Would serve them fucking right too. We, as a society, have tried the liberal approach and it has lead our island right down the fuckin’ pan. Time for a return to some good old fashioned discipline. |
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| Hellvomit |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:43 am |
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Quote: You're a dope. I'm not saying An Garda Síochána are knights in shining armour but to say they would have done nothing is ridiculous.
He's right though Barry, they would have done nothing. Cops I was in college with told me as much, because there's so much of this stuff going on that it's impossible to stop it. They don't have enough people and there's fuck all they can do anyway. If you catch one of them he'll be locked up for the night, maybe, and then he'll get let off in court, if it even gets there. They're as frustrated by the bullshit as the rest of us. |
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| Bane |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:56 am |
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| But sure it's daft saying they would have done nothing because you can't know for sure. It doesn't take a lot to make a quick phonecall to 999 saying some scumbag is at central bank trying to attack people with a glass bottle. Or even approaching a Guard on the street and saying the same thing. |
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