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| richardanthonyc |
 Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:03 pm |
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Bane wrote: But sure it's daft saying they would have done nothing because you can't know for sure. It doesn't take a lot to make a quick phonecall to 999 saying some scumbag is at central bank trying to attack people with a glass bottle. Or even approaching a Guard on the street and saying the same thing.
In my defense I was really in shock and just wanted to get out of there and there were no gardai to be seen around the place |
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| Bane |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:11 pm |
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| Ah yeah fair enough, I mean I've never been in the same situation (thankfully) so I could be talking through me arse. I just reckon things like that should be reported. Whether or not anything is done about it remains to be seen but at least you've done your bit. |
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| Hellvomit |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:22 pm |
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Quote: But sure it's daft saying they would have done nothing because you can't know for sure |
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| richardanthonyc |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:33 pm |
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Bane wrote: Ah yeah fair enough, I mean I've never been in the same situation (thankfully) so I could be talking through me arse. I just reckon things like that should be reported. Whether or not anything is done about it remains to be seen but at least you've done your bit.
In fairness you are correct, I should really have reported it. If I saw it happening to someone else I would report it, just at the time I really just wanted to go home to my then 4 week old son!   |
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| Nerd |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:49 pm |
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From reading this thread it seems these random attacks are a major problem. Thankfully it hasn't happened to me in the last few years but there was a period of about 4 years there where something happened every few months and i made statements to the Gardai each time. Of those times something was only done once, and it was far lighter than a slap on the wrist.
What can be done about this lads? It's all well and good to talk about it but it there anywhere or anyone that can be spoken to about this? We could write letters to TD's but where does that get us? |
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| Invictus |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:50 pm |
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| Not reporting it to the Gardaí is only feeding into the cycle. Even if your complaint goes nowhere in terms of a successful outcome, it's all collated by the CSO and released as crime statistics. |
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| thejuice |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:54 pm |
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Well the first thing is that we need to look at is the justice system. It’s something I imagine everyone can agree on that harsher sentences need handing down and if it means building another few prisons, so be it.
Build them in disused quarries where they are less visible if the nimbys protest. All white collar, blue collar and tracksuit crime all need to be properly and severely punished.
Direct democracy needs to be brought in to give people greater say particularly on social issues. This reduces the power of the established parties and makes them more accountable to the people. They could no longer tell us what we can and cannot have a referendum on. Representational government is failing continually.
Perhaps the people should be given the facilities to sack a government rather than waiting for elections to roll around. This should make them beholden to the people and not those who line their pockets as they would fear their jobs.
With that an amount of social and civic responsibility must be formed among the people, and maybe people by now might have learned it the hard way. When it comes to social welfare rather than sit at home how about people work in their preferred industries and get experience while the government pays them the dole rates.
They work a maximum of 3 days a week and a business cannot take on more than 1 per 50 staff members at a time or something similar to prevent companies using them as a cheap replacement for actual staff.
At the same time what needs to brought back is a proper sense of community within villages and towns. It’s very easy nowadays to have a very active social life without knowing who your neighbours are. With the internet, phones, the redundancy of communal religious practicing and convenience of supermarkets the dependency on others in the local area has disappeared and with it a sense of community. I live on a street of strangers who I hardly ever speak to.
A perfect example I saw recently was the programme Making Bradford British on Channel 4. A young man from a broken home with a daughter who he got to see on weekends, was amazed after spending a while with the nearby Asian Islamic area, how they all came together for prayers and ate together, and as we saw in the London riots, they all came out into the streets to protect each other and their area.
Now irrespective of their beliefs, since obviously these deities don’t exist, but the benefits of a communal purpose and a place to come together is badly needed. Something that existed only a generation ago here has been lost and replaced with an atomised society. We have no loyalty or civic duty to each other which makes us weak.
And they thing is, we are free of the churches evil eyes now and that small village mentality that shuns people who are different needs to get put in its place. I know we’ve heard it all before that we need stronger communities but it’s true.
I probably sound like Dev talking about comely maidens dancing at the cross roads but that’s what I think anyway. |
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| prof. wedgie |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:21 pm |
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Bane wrote: But sure it's daft saying they would have done nothing because you can't know for sure. It doesn't take a lot to make a quick phonecall to 999 saying some scumbag is at central bank trying to attack people with a glass bottle. Or even approaching a Guard on the street and saying the same thing.
I was jumped on at a house party a few years back, knew the guy that did it. Went to the gards, made a report and gave them his name, address and phone number and they didn't do a thing |
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| Andy82 |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:16 pm |
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Told by an uncle who is a Guard that if you report something make sure to ask for the reference number it is given in the PULSE computer system.
This ensures that they have to enter the crime in the system and also creates and audit trail of the activities against the report. |
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| pentagrimes |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:28 pm |
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prof. wedgie wrote: Bane wrote: But sure it's daft saying they would have done nothing because you can't know for sure. It doesn't take a lot to make a quick phonecall to 999 saying some scumbag is at central bank trying to attack people with a glass bottle. Or even approaching a Guard on the street and saying the same thing.
I was jumped on at a house party a few years back, knew the guy that did it. Went to the gards, made a report and gave them his name, address and phone number and they didn't do a thing
and the flipside: mate of mine spoke to the gardai when he witnessed a neighbor trying to break into another house in the area recently - the lad then went on to try and burn down the gaff my friend and his girlfriend were living in. While they were asleep. Inside. And this was in town, I might add.
People don't go to the gardai because in addition to the gardai doing fuck all, they're scared of the repurcussions I think. |
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| Ed Somers |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:28 pm |
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| I've said it before, but there is a sense of respect for the police over here. I've been living in Poland for 4 years now almost and am moving to Kiev in a few weeks. Admittedly, that respect is built around fear it would seem, they will kick the shit out of you. Generally speaking the only trouble I've ever seen here involves pissed up irish and british lads on stag do's. Obnoxious pricks on the piss for a few days, I saw a lad pissing in the Rynek in Wroclaw last week at 2 in the afternoon, chelsea shirt and london accent. |
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| fobster |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:34 pm |
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The system doesn't work, surprise, surprise. The political will is not there to do anything about though. Putting them in prison in Poland would be an excellent idea. Of course, we could conjure up some torturous punishment but it'll never happen. It's a deeply ingrained, negative progression.
For all the human race's supposed "sophistication", the descent into animalistic barbarism can happen all too quickly. |
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| Ariaga 2 |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:45 pm |
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Will all due respect, there is no "descent" with individuals like this. They have no morals to begin with. |
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| Mull |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:11 pm |
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| when did the buzz turn from a few pints with the lads to assault and eventual manslaughter? |
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| Caomhaoin |
| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:13 pm |
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Mull wrote: when did the buzz turn from a few pints with the lads to assault and eventual manslaughter?
I hope you're not handicapped and that's a rhetorical question. |
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