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| The Ruts |
 Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:26 am |
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An example of why sticking your fingers in your ears never works out.
Fergus Finlay, who runs Barnardos, was sexually abused in the 60's by a priest but his dad went to the police and the cunt was arrested. So don't give me the 'oh it was the climate of the time' excuse. |
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| thejuice |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:19 am |
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Jail. No exceptions. The church needs to be made to understand there will no more special treatment.
Some of my parents generation are still staunch catholics but from conversations with their parents generation it is hard to believe the amount of wilful blindness or acceptance of the inhumane actions by priests. My grandmother past away about 6 years ago now and during the scandals coming out, she used to say that the victims were just attention seekers.
My wedding is coming up next year and I was thinking that the smoothest way to do things to keep family onside would be to have a church wedding despite being an atheist. However the more I hear and the lack of repentance or justice in these cases has hardened my resolve. I certainly will not get married in a church and if any family members don’t like it they can stay away.
On a similar note Humanist Weddings are to be made legal in Ireland. About time too.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0501/1224315408779.html |
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| ragnarok |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:13 pm |
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| See, this is why I HATE Jesus. |
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| ToxicTwin |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:16 pm |
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| richardanthonyc |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:16 pm |
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ragnarok wrote: See, this is why I HATE Jesus.
Seriously though, the problem is not Jesus it's the people who claim to represent him and then completely ignore everything he said |
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| GOATLORD |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:17 pm |
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| Nor should it -never mind stepping down he should be pushed from his ivory tower. Then again who is worse him or his leaders? Getting kids to swear on bibles, vows of silence - evil bastards rotten from the top to the bottom. |
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| Invictus |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:26 pm |
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| His actions, or lack thereof, really are emblematic of an organisation that puts its survival above the welfare and responsibility it has towards people who are adherents of its rules. What I also find sickening currently is that no one in government is speaking out saying he should resign and that he should also face criminal charges for withholding information because they too still act out of reverential deference to the austere superstition that is Catholicism. |
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| Rctl Dsmbwllmnt |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:38 pm |
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| For an organisation so closely linked with paedophilia, it's a bit much for the boss his popeness to drive around in an ice-cream van. If the cunt really had faith he'd put his trust in his god and not bullet-proof glass. Let them all swing from a rope, the evil bastards. It's a disgrace that the law has protected the cunts, those vile fucks who preyed on children for fuck sake. |
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| mishima |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:44 pm |
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Invictus wrote: no one in government is speaking out saying he should resign and that he should also face criminal charges for withholding information
Eamon Gilmore is the only one who appears to be saying anything of the sort:
Quote: It is my personal view that anybody who did not deal with the scale of the abuse that we have seen in this case should not hold a position of authority
But no mention of criminal charges, of course.
I'd be very surprised if any politicians actually came out and suggested that. |
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| richardanthonyc |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:52 pm |
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| The closing of the Vatican embassy and the subsequent rejecting of calls to reopen it was a positive step |
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| Invictus |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:15 pm |
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richardanthonyc wrote: The closing of the Vatican embassy and the subsequent rejecting of calls to reopen it was a positive step
Absolutely. Unfortunately this recession has strengthened the hand of the church. If it was boom time, with loads of cash around (again), liberal voices would be a lot louder than they are now. And by liberal voices I mean people with a modicum of intellect dissecting the authoritarian nature of the church and its arachnid tentacles in Irish society as opposed to clowns writing shock stories and 'opinions' for broadsheets and red tops.
Didn't hear Gilmore on the issue Simon but it's good to see he's making some kind of stand. Kenny pretty much washed his hands of it. I guess being a Mayo farmer shone through. |
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| Paddysclosed |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:52 pm |
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| It's time for atheists to start defecting from the church. Thousands of people (myself included) are sickened by the Catholic hierarchy and haven't been inside a church in years, but would still be on the church's register as members. I'm sending my letter this week. |
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| thejuice |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 1:54 pm |
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There was a thread on here a few years ago that had a website that you could take your name off the register.
i think it was this one;
http://www.countmeout.ie/
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Quote: The Holy See confirmed at the end of August that it was introducing changes to Canon Law and as a result it will no longer be possible to formally defect from the Catholic Church. This will not alter the fact that many people can defect from the Church, and continue to do so, albeit not through a formal process. This is a change that will affect the Church throughout the world. The Archdiocese of Dublin plans to maintain a register to note the expressed desire of those who wish to defect. Details will be communicated to those involved in the process when they are finalised. Last year 229 people formally defected from the Church through the Archdiocese of Dublin. 312 have done so, so far this year. |
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| Paddysclosed |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:08 pm |
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thejuice wrote: There was a thread on here a few years ago that had a website that you could take your name off the register.
i think it was this one;
http://www.countmeout.ie/
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Quote: The Holy See confirmed at the end of August that it was introducing changes to Canon Law and as a result it will no longer be possible to formally defect from the Catholic Church. This will not alter the fact that many people can defect from the Church, and continue to do so, albeit not through a formal process. This is a change that will affect the Church throughout the world. The Archdiocese of Dublin plans to maintain a register to note the expressed desire of those who wish to defect. Details will be communicated to those involved in the process when they are finalised. Last year 229 people formally defected from the Church through the Archdiocese of Dublin. 312 have done so, so far this year.
That website is suspended now. All you can do is write a letter to the archbishop. I also found this article.
http://atheism.about.com/od/ideasforatheistactivism/a/Excommunication.htm |
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| Prolonged Spumesence |
| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:10 pm |
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| That "count me out" thing was basically mass processing apostasies was it not? And then didn't the Catholic church stop processing them because there was to many people leaving and if the trend continued they'd have lost certain privileges as their numbers would have dropped below a certain cut off point? |
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