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| latrine animal |
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pentagrimes wrote:
Also, INCAPACITANTS from Japan are amazing, only gotten into them recently but glad I did.
I'm also quite taken with BLUE SABBATH BLACK CHEER at the moment. Terrifying.
incapacitants are good but all records are very alike.in the same way that i love masonna but am happy enough with the 2 or 3 things i own.blue sabbath black cheer are amazing and best fucking name ever,makes me annoyed i don't think of shit like that.
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Can't recommend Mr Drumm enough either. Sheer Hellish Miasma is an absolute destroyer of a record, and quite 'metal' in a power/noise kinda way. Definately pick that one up. And Land of Lurches on Hanson is also mindblowing, but a bit more drone-based.
Daniel Menche has some great stuff too - Concussions is killer, all punishing psychedelic polyrhythmic percussion chaos - total brain bleed stuff. Bleeding Heavens is probably the best of his more modern stuff though - very detailed, minimal, slowly shifting organ and trumpet processing, but you'd never know the source instruments like. Gorgeous. Collaboration with Kevin Drumm is suprisingly meh.
like menche as well alright,never heard the collab,won't bother so.yeah,kevin fucking drumm, even though he's fairly big still don't think he gets the recognition he deserves,sheer hellish miasma is a record thats stuck with me constantly since i first heard it 3/4 years ago. |
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| seppuku |
| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:19 pm |
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thesonglessbird, latrine animal and pentagrimes have already covered a lot of artists and albums worth looking into, but here's a list of my recommended albums for beginners:
KEVIN DRUMM - Sheer Hellish Miasma [Mego] is dense, digital harshness; absolutely essential, one of the best noise albums of the last 10 years.
PRURIENT - All recommended, but rather than the quite harsh Black Vase [Load], start with Pleasure Ground [also Load] or And Still, Wanting [No Fun], both of which have moment of striking beauty, as well as horror. Those two are highly recommended for newcomers to the noise/power electronics genres.
MERZBOW - The king of noise, maybe; he's released hundreds of records, almost none of which are bad, and most are good to great, and they can be quite varied in style and sound; a select few would be Pulse Demon [Relapse] (analog harshness to the max), Split w/BASTARD NOISE [Relapse] (Merzbow side is similar Pulse Demon, BN side shows that noise can have a message, and doesn't even have to be that noisy), 1930 [Tzadik] (one of his best, beautifully composed noise), Dharma [Hydra Head] (excellent sample-driven laptop-era release), Merzbird [Important] (beat-driven noise, quite "poppy" and easy on the ear, roughly similar in style to Merzbeat and the more dubby Merzbuddha).
WHITEHOUSE - Pioneers of Power Electronics, sick lyrics and painful frequencies; I prefer the early material (eg Birthdeath Experience) or the more recent laptop stuff (Cruise, Bird Seed, Asceticists or Racket [all Susan Lawly]).
TOTAL / SKULLFLOWER / SUNROOF! - Three Matthew Bower projects, sometimes noisy, sometimes pastoral; everything he's done is phenomenal, but these are some of noisier ones; get TOTAL's Glassy Warhead [RRR] or Exploded Star Sad Servant [Self Abuse] for savage guitar abuse, SKULLFLOWER's Obsidian Shaking Codex [RRR], Orange Canyon Mind, Tribulation [both Crucial Blast] for slightly less intense brutality, or either of SUNROOF!'s more recent albums, Panzer Division Lou Reed and Silver Bear Mist [both VHF].
PEDESTRIAN DEPOSIT - Excellent new artist, who manages to invest harsh noise with emotion. Fatale [Hospital], his second CD release, might be the one to start with, but its slightly more abrasive predecessor Volatile [also Hospital] is also highly recommended. Available as a set with vinyl-only follow-up Vestige from RRR for only $20.
YELLOW SWANS - A mix of melodic drones and noise; most of their stuff (that I've heard) is great; Psychic Secession and At All Ends [both Load] are among the best. Very good band to start with.
GOSLINGS - Grandeur Of Hair [Archive], Melvins at 16rpm, volume at 11, recorded on broken equipment, played on faulty speakers, melodic but quite noisy.
LASSE MARHAUG - The Great Silence [Troniks] is one of the best noise releases I've heard in a while, guitar feedback in extremis.
JOHN WIESE - Again, much of his stuff is recommended; though rather than Black Magic Pond [Blossoming Noise], my favourites would be the noise-as-grindcore early recordings on Teenage Hallucination [Troniks] or the more textured Soft Punk [Troubleman].
RUSSELL HASWELL - I haven't heard Blackest Ever Black yet, mentioned above, but Live Salvage 1997-2000 [Mego] is absolutely fantastic, harsh and exhilarating; almost on a par with Sheer Hellish Miasma.
KNURL - The Canadian king of noise, all sounds sourced from scrap metal. The albums can be a bit samey, but Nervescrap [RRR], Scyamine or Vermifuge [both Troniks] are pretty good examples of dense, analog harshness.
KAZUMOTO ENDO - While You Were Out [Boxmedia], brutal yet playful laptop-noise, this guy is seriously under-rated.
EINSTUERZENDE NEUBAUTEN - These guys aren't "noise" any more, but Halber Mensch [Potomak] is the last and best album of their early, Industrial, junkyard-noise period.
MAURIZIO BIANCHI / MB - Symphony For A Genocide [reissued by Hospital], sick tones for a sick world. A great example for early Industrial, if hardly that representative of the genre, or MB's other work.
WOLF EYES - Malevolent industrial noise-rock, think Throbbing Gristle-meets-Darkthrone. Personally I can't really stand these guys, but they're what the kids are listening to these days, apparently; Burned Mind [Sub Pop] isn't bad, ditto Dead Hills and Dread, mentioned above; avoid recent album Human Animal, it's absolutely fucking terrible (except as proof that not just anyone can make good noise).
LOU REED - One of the original and greatest noise records ever, Metal Machine Music.
A couple of good compilations to finish:
THE JAPANESE/AMERICAN NOISE TREATY [Relapse] - a good overview of mid-90's noise of both sides of the Pacific.
EXTREME MUSIC FROM JAPAN [Susan Lawly] - great selection of material from many of the legends of Japanese noise.
Hell, this was supposed to be a short list, I got a bit carried away! Pretty much everything above is recommended, and most should be easily available. It's mainly fairly harsh noise, which is my preference, but there's plenty of variety within the broad "noise" genre to explore; power electronics, noise-rock, the more ambient tonal stuff, whatever the hell Boredoms do, etc, etc. Hope this helps somewhat!
Many noise labels release stuff at fairly low prices. RRRecords and Troniks/Pacrec both have some great releases for around $8 each, which makes a good to way to start a collection for cheap. Some suggestions from their catalogs (roughly in order):
RRRecords:
TOTAL - Glassy Warhead
SKULLFLOWER - Obsidian Shaking Codex
MERZBOW - Batztoutai With Material Gadgets/Loop Panic (great analog-era 2cd set)
HANATARASH - 3 (Yamatsuka Eye's pre-Boredoms outfit)
MSBR - Destructive Locomotion
INCAPACITANTS - Ministry Of Foolishness
PAIN JERK - Trashware
KNURL - Nervescrap
EMIL BEAULIEAU - Has A Relapse (RRRon destroying Relapse records from the classic era)
Troniks (check the specials, 3 albums for $15, $5 for each additional, including postage):
LASSE MARHAUG - The Great Silence
ROMAN TORMENT - Skin Game (dense, almost wall noise, but great dynamics)
JOHN WIESE - Teenage Hallucination
YELLOW SWANS - Global Clone
GOVERNMENT ALPHA - Venomous Cumulous Cloud (brutal psychedelia)
KNURL - Scyamine
KNURL - Vermifuge
DEAD BODY LOVE - Low-Fi Power Carnage
THE CHERRY POINT - Black Witchery
SICKNESS / SLOGUN - Scars Of Happiness/Always Numb |
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| latrine animal |
| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:40 pm |
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seppuku wrote:
PEDESTRIAN DEPOSIT - Excellent new artist, who manages to invest harsh noise with emotion. Fatale [Hospital], his second CD release, might be the one to start with, but its slightly more abrasive predecessor Volatile [also Hospital] is also highly recommended. Available as a set with vinyl-only follow-up Vestige from RRR for only $20.
MAURIZIO BIANCHI / MB - Symphony For A Genocide [reissued by Hospital], sick tones for a sick world. A great example for early Industrial, if hardly that representative of the genre, or MB's other work.
can't believe i forgot mb,fucking classic stuff.
speaking of pedestrian deposit have you heard his other project emaciator?from your list i reckon you'd like it.
http://www.myspace.com/emaciator |
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| seppuku |
| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:11 pm |
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latrine animal wrote: can't believe i forgot mb,fucking classic stuff.
speaking of pedestrian deposit have you heard his other project emaciator? from your list i reckon you'd like it.
Yeah, only got the "Resentment" CDr on Students Of Decay, it's excellent. There seem to be a lot of people out there doing that "tone-float" stuff, but Borges always brings something more to the table. Have you heard any of the tapes, any suggestions? (even though none of them are available any more, and I never buy tapes much anyway...)
What other MB do you like? Man's a total genius.
And, have you got Kevin Drumm's latest on Hospital? |
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| latrine animal |
| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:21 pm |
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far as i known the emaciator stuff has been fairly consistent.
i'm not the best person to talk to about the latest stuff thats coming out to be honest,haven't had a job in a long time so ordering music is something i'm rarely able to do.
i'd be a fan of both the mb and maurizio bianche phases if thats what you're getting at.the hospital rerelease is of one i've never heard though and am definitely looking forward to getting my hands on it at some point. |
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| GODOT |
| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:15 pm |
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seppuku wrote: PEDESTRIAN DEPOSIT - Excellent new artist, who manages to invest harsh noise with emotion. Fatale [Hospital], his second CD release, might be the one to start with, but its slightly more abrasive predecessor Volatile [also Hospital] is also highly recommended. Available as a set with vinyl-only follow-up Vestige from RRR for only $20.
WOLF EYES - avoid recent album Human Animal, it's absolutely fucking terrible (except as proof that not just anyone can make good noise).
Listen to this man.
Pedestrain Deposit is fucking flattening in the extreme - Fatale especially, though all 3 biggies are great. Great to hear someone who manages to get the ecstatic overload thing that Matthew Bower does so well and push it into totally original places. Sounds cold and warm, digital and analogue and emotionaless and heart-wrenching all at the same time, just like the best Bower stuff.
As for Wolf Eyes, they kinda went downhil after Dilloway strayed. That man is a genius, and brought a real depth of field to their sound, which is kinda gone now. River Slaughter is the only post-Dilloway worth checking out I reckon, and even then it's not mind-bending. Dog Jaw is probably the one to go for. Anything Dilloway has done solo will blow your mind.
Richard Youngs' noise stuff usually gets passed over by most folks into his song-based stuff - fools! His 2nd collaboration with Matthew Bower (Relayer) is like every nursery rhyme you knew as a child heard from some alternate universe performed by fairies on fire. The Radios collaboration with Brian Lavelle will burn your cd player beyond repair - be warned.
Lately, I've been spinning a lot of this:
Hasegawa-Shizuo - Songs Of An Umbilical Chord (otherworldly trance-out, in a total DIY, massively psychedelic way. Nothing else I've heard sounds like this - check the fucking tone! Beautiful)
Burning Star Core - Challenger (luminous synth beacons and clacking alien percussion with an insanely detailed micro-edit feel. Yum!)
Yoshi Wada - Lament For the Rise and Fall of the Elephantine Crocodile (solo vocal melancholy in an empty swimming pool - acoustics and resonances you can't even begin to imagine. The bagpine drones on the second half have the potential to collapse lungs at 50 paces)
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Any noise scene in Ireland at all? artists like? Its a very intriguing genre, truely underground aswell.
Took a chance with a Wolf Eyes gig in Aberdeen a couple of years ago, was completely knocked off my feet.
Then seen Phillip Best in Radio City last year, similar result.
Have to say id probably prefer experience it live than listen to it, or probably to just make it is the best fun of all. |
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| BoobC |
| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:05 pm |
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realmgod wrote: Took a chance with a Wolf Eyes gig in Aberdeen a couple of years ago, was completely knocked off my feet.
Same here, saw them in Whelans two years back, having not heard a single track. Was very impressed. Picked up 'Human Animal', and as seppuku said it was pish. |
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| latrine animal |
| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:25 pm |
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realmgod wrote: Any noise scene in Ireland at all? artists like? Its a very intriguing genre, truely underground aswell.
Took a chance with a Wolf Eyes gig in Aberdeen a couple of years ago, was completely knocked off my feet.
Then seen Phillip Best in Radio City last year, similar result.
Have to say id probably prefer experience it live than listen to it, or probably to just make it is the best fun of all.
go se that junko gig,theres some good bands playing with em.
some irish stuff to start you off...
www.myspace.com/munitionsfamily
www.myspace.com/femaleorphanasylum
www.myspace.com/oovveerr |
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| seppuku |
| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:30 pm |
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There seem to be a fair few noise/experimental acts on the go in Ireland at the moment, dunno if it can be called a scene exactly, but some are tied in to the Deserted Village collective/label. Toymonger, Papercut, the mighty Bipolar Joe, and Wereju/Nils Helstrom/Null-Void (the latter three projects not being very noisy) are all worth a listen in addition to the ones mentioned above.
Live action seems to be a bit more spasmodic, nothing for ages then a few in a short space of time. Over & others are playing Anseo later in April (details here), and the second one-day Guantanamo Noise Festival is on in Limerick in early June, with Bipolar Joe, Wereju, Toymonger, Female Orphan Asylum/Wölflinge and others.
Regarding Maurizio Bianchi, his "Symphony For A Genocide" is available for legitimate download from Mattin's w.m.o/r label, as is the mysterious "Genocidio 20", which is in the vein of the Leibstandarte SS MB stuff bootlegged by Come Organisation in the eighties, complete with overdubbed Nazi speeches.
Another free net-release, "Mokushi XVI, XVI", is one of my favourite albums by Bianchi since his return - it's all superb, but the last track is particularly powerful, IIRC. |
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| brian conniffe |
| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:42 pm |
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me + vicky : female orphan asylum will be playing at the junko gig.
mb : i actually think "symphony for a genocide" is very over-rated, much better are "mectyo bakterium" (desolate ice-cold drones), "technology" (violently harsh but melodic), "armagheddon" (bleak pulsating ambient), and "aktivitat" (relentlessly rhythmic).
whitehouse : "bird seed", "asceticists" and "racket" are three of the greatest albums of any style, without peer lyrically and musically. i recommend checking these most recent albums out first of all, and then moving on to their earliest stuff, which is much more minimal and abstract : "birthdeath experience", "erector", "new britain", "total sex" and "dedicated to peter kurten". not as immediate, but highly rewarding, and they influenced pretty much all noise music after their release. i also second the recommendation of consumer electronics' "nobody's ugly", and i also give my highest possible recommendation to the upcoming CE lp "crowd pleaser" and wb's "afro noise" (its brilliant, but given i had a hand in that, i would say that!  ).
sunroof... my favourites are "splat!" and "sufi hate crime / zen atrocity"
i much prefer the 90s incarnation of ramleh to skullflower or sunroof... they abandoned their early power electronics sound and turned into the heaviest rock band i have heard. "homeless" is a fucking astonishing album, and the "too many miles" singles collection has some essential and jaw dropping moments also. if only more rock bands could sound as powerful as that...
as for the japanese stuff, aube's more minimal ambient works are absolutely wonderful, a high point is "metal de metal", and i also recommend "set on", "mutation" and his "reworks" series. aube's pretty much the only japanese contemporary experimental musician i really like, i dont much go for the harsh noise stuff, but those interested would do well to check out merzbow's "dharma" (in my opinion the only merzbow album one need have), anything by CCCC and incapcitants, and the "extreme music from japan" and "come again II" compilations.
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| Korgull |
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Master Crow..this isn't Power metal..there are no dragons!! the noise will frighten then away!!
Check out Brighter Death Now and the stuff on Cold meat industries...its not total noise but its still pretty cool.. |
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| seppuku |
| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:00 am |
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Bianchi's "Symphony For A Genocide" is probably overrated or just over-known for being one of the more available of his works over the years, and for being less abstract and a bit more accessible than the other classic albums. The "SFAG" "remix" on Broken Flag/Tegal is far superior to the original, IMO, but is sadly pretty hard to find now. And, though I very much like the newer, less-noisy albums too (even "Colori", etc!), the material released under the Sacher-Pelz name (recent as well as old) would probably be my favourite of his work, even if the impenetrable, unremitting bleakness can be pretty hard to take. Of the others mentioned, I've only heard "Armaghedon" so far; will be getting the "Mectpyo Bakterium" and "Technology" reissues soon, and the "Aktivitat/Atomique" reissue when it comes out (with more obscurities on the way). "Regel", "Endometrio", "Das Testament", and "The Plain Truth" are all likewise recommended for sickening, decomposed ambient sounds.
Totally agree, too, about the last (final?) three Whitehouse albums being brilliant, can't go wrong with any of them since "Cruise" really, bar the Sotos stuff; it will be very interesting to hear where the Afro Noise project takes the African-inspired percussion of "Racket".
Funny, I've always found the "rock" Ramleh fairly pedestrian for the most part, with only occasional flashes of inspiration; along with Splintered and others, Ramleh at that time were one of a number of bands who could be described as "sounding a lot like early Skullflower", with an unspoken "...just not as good". That said, I was never much of a fan of early Skullflower either; the Pure/Total stuff of the same era was much better, IMO. Must give "Homeless" and "Works III" another spin.
Wolf Eyes aren't completely without merit: Dread and Burned Mind are ok, and their half of "The Warriors", the split with Prurient, is surprisingly good, given that its the Connelly/post-Dilloway line-up; I haven't thought much of the few solo Dilloway/Spine Scavenger records I've heard either. Wolf Eyes' frequent shiteness probably has less to do with his absence and more to do with a seeming complete lack of editorial control in their releases.
Been listening to "Black Vase" and "Arrowhead" (recorded around the same time) a lot over the last while, bloody intense stuff, the former still a gruelling aural endurance test, the latter sounding something like a brutal early SWANS concert heard through a wall of severe tinnitus. Recommended, just not for dog owners.
Can anyone suggest any essential BDN releases beyond "Innerwar"? |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:16 pm |
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the majority of "SFAG" was reissued on the "broken flag - a retrospective" 5LP collection of early eighties BF material, though that box set is really only going to appeal to fans of low-fi noisey improvisation (feedback and delay a go go!).
i forgot to mention "neuro habitat", which is another MB classic and perhaps his most accomplised in terms of convertional composition. "endometrio" is a good one, very much in the cold ambient style of "armagheddon" and "carcinosi", though i slightly prefer those two. you're in for a treat with "technology" (probably his masterpiece i think) and "bakterium" (the first side is something special).
i actually like sotos' tracks on those whitehouse albums, they are probably the most depressing things ever, but they do work in the context of the albums, especially on "cruise" - which i think is a really clever album in terms of how the tracks are laid out - and on "mummy and daddy" i think it's pretty important that the reality of the victims of these crimes takes up as much space as the songs which are about the ways perpetrators think. i can't say i listen to "buyer's market" very much though.
ramleh's greatest moments, in my opinion, were "homeless" and the "8 ball corner pocket / trapped aircraft" 7" (collected on "too many miles"). "works III" is ok, a collection of sketches and jams really, very hit and miss though and quite bland in a lot of places. it does have some of my favourite cover art ever though. i'm not really a fan of skullflower, some of it is nice but it doesn't really have enough "personality", if that makes any sense, which i do find the rock ramleh has. i'm not really a fan of the power electronics / eighties ramleh either, but i do sometimes enjoy it in small doses (pretty much always first thing in the morning for some reason, i think it wakes me up!). "the hand of glory" and "a return to slavery" are probably the high lights.
wolf eyes... i remember hearing "slicer" when it came out, and i thought some of that was interesting, but i really didn't get the appeal of "burned mind", i just found it pretty boring, and i was totally bewildered by the rave reviews it seemed to be getting everywhere at the time. i think what killed it for me was seeing them live, i really thought they were appalling live... it was the most unoriginal and uninventive thing i have possibly ever seen, i honestly felt like i was watching a U2 tribute band with noise units instead of guitars. i'd be the first to say that i just dont get it! |
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