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| PatrickReborn |
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Eoin McLove wrote: PatrickReborn wrote: Its a matter of taste really... i personally didnt have a problem with Amatuer production until Reborn recorded in Germany and i realised how unbearable the old recordings we had were.
Unfortunately if you dont have decent production, you're music suffers, end of. It will lack clarity and make you sound worse. Its not about being on your high horse. Its a matter of opinion, but if you want to be taken very seriously you need to gather some sort of professionalism in your production.
But, it is extremely dear to get that done. So, amatuer recordings are an only option for young bands with little money, but in most cases, if the band is good, the music will shine through.
You can't apply one approach to recording across the board. It shows a) a serious lack of understanding of different genres and b) a serious lack of imagination. You can't compare the production on Archaic Creation to Under a Funeral Moon. Both are completely different, but as Worthless Recluse said above, both are entirely appropriate.
Ah yeah, its to each his own i suppose. I do understand different genres call for different production. But i mean Amatuer/home recording for ost genres are going to be met with stick... it does spoil the ambience and precision of a song if the quality is poor. |
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| Eoin McLove |
| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:33 pm |
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| Komodo Studios Alwyn |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:16 pm |
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Glad to see the number of replies pointing out that a good production is an appropriate prduction, with the burzum example.
There one more thing however, and I admit i am a bit biased with this one, but in my view if a band does a half-assed job with the recording of their material what does that say to the "fans" that they are hoping to keep or acquire? My view would be:
If you want your band to be taken seriously, take it seriously yourself.
And on the topic of money, bands can massively reduce the cost of recording by being prepared.
1-being able to actually play the parts they have written
2-being prepared (knowing the tempos, having the lyrics written out (twice))
2-having their gear in good condition (guitars set up etc...)
3-knowing what they want |
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| Space Ghost |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:46 pm |
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Quote: having the lyrics written out (twice
What's the logic behind that? |
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| Mazzy Maz |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:21 pm |
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Space Ghost wrote: Quote: having the lyrics written out (twice
What's the logic behind that?
people go in unprepared and can't remember the lyrics. |
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| pentagrimes |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:25 pm |
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Eoin McLove wrote: www.myspace.com/totalwarhc
Absolutely irrelevant to this thread, as this was recorded purely for the laugh and production was never thought about. I don't see how "production" applies when the only technical aspect was pressing a record button. It'd be like talking about production with regard to a practice tape. |
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| xspudx |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:42 pm |
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Mazzy Maz wrote: Space Ghost wrote: Quote: having the lyrics written out (twice
What's the logic behind that?
people go in unprepared and can't remember the lyrics.
Surely they wouldn't need to read 2 copies of the same lyrics to remember them? Or is it a case of keeping one copy safely hidden away? |
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| Space Ghost |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:45 pm |
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| Maybe they need a set for each eye they have. |
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| deadmaker |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:47 pm |
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two is standardly used so, the recording engineer can talk back to the singer with a set of lyrics in his hands two and say "ok take it from line 13".... or whatever, instead of the whole time wasting "what part did ye sing last?, naw before that"
saves time ye know |
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| Komodo Studios Alwyn |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:24 pm |
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One copy for the singer, one copy for the producer.
It's helpful, so the producer can refer to certain lines that the vocalist didn't quite nail.
But yeah, have more than one copy if like many bands you're likely to misplace them... |
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| Eoin McLove |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:18 pm |
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pentagrimes wrote: Eoin McLove wrote: www.myspace.com/totalwarhc
Absolutely irrelevant to this thread, as this was recorded purely for the laugh and production was never thought about. I don't see how "production" applies when the only technical aspect was pressing a record button. It'd be like talking about production with regard to a practice tape.
It's perfectly relevant to this thread, Jamie. Those songs are fucking face ripping savagery and the production is raw as guts. Perfect symbiosis between production and songs. Totally apprpriate for what it is. |
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| General Lee |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:21 pm |
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Production goes hand in hand with the musicianship, example, how tight the performance is and how well it was tracked, I think that the majority confuse production with how something is mixed, in that the mix is too polished, fake-sounding or in some "kvlt" ways not mixed at all
In the end, it all boils down to time and money and what can be done within budget. If the songs are good, they'll shine through regardless of how they're mixed. |
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| Era VulgaChris |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:32 pm |
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| As long as they're played well of course. In music the connection between player and instrument is the first departure point and the most important - not just in not making mistakes but tone too. A song played perfectly sounds great no matter what way you flick the faders... because every track is perfect. |
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| Taranis |
| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:49 pm |
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Andy, the last thing I would call the production on DMDS is warm, it is in fact the opposite, cold as fuck, and all the better for it, what an atmosphere. As regards production, Black Metal's aesthetic can make it easy for crap bands to hide the fact they can't play, but the good stuff is worth having to wade through hours of rubbish. I love bands like Darkthrone, Burzum, Horna, Xasthur, Leviathan, Satanic Warmaster, etc. etc., all of whom have a raw production that suits their music. In some respects it is like having an extra instrument. But here's the thing, you have to know what you are doing, you have to have good songs to pull it off, and you have to have rehearsed, more thought has to actually go into it than 'you know what would be cool? Let's record a song'. A shit band is still a shit band regardless of production, a good band is still a good band, but they can be made all the better with the right production. It doesn't have to be crystal clear or whatever, it depends on the music.
Although I would like to take a lump hammer to every effects board used for its distortion when recording, after which I might move onto Metalzones...
Other forms of metal are more reliant on a more conventional good production, although there are of course exceptions. |
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| Eoin McLove |
| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:55 am |
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| Gotta disacgree with you on the DMDS front there, Russell. I think it has a warm sound, what with that prominent bass and the big drum sound.Also Atilla's bizarre growly, chanty vocals add an almost somnolent, mesmerizing air to the songs. I would consider Darkthrone and Burzum's production to be cold because of the screechy harsh trebly guitar tone. Either way, it is buckin' class. |
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