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GOLIATH
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:25 pm Reply with quote
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SUMMER LEAGUE ISN'T HELPING CROWDS. EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE STRIPPED BACK TO BASICS AND MAYBE IT'S TIME TO EXPLORE THE AMALGAMATION OF THE TWO IRISH FA'S FOR ONE DOMESTIC LEAGUE.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE FOR SUPPORT.
I'M SORRY TO HEAR MONAGHAN ARE GONE, GREAT LITTLE CLUB, BUT WHAT COUNTRY HAS A PREMIER LEAGUE CLUB THAT ONLY ATTRACTS 250/750 SUPPORTERS TO THEIR HOME GAMES? THAT AND NO SPONSOR SPELLS THE END.
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Paul keohane
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:21 pm Reply with quote
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thought of you straight away mower when i heard the news,very sad to hear man.
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BotS
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:47 am Reply with quote
Joined: 10 Sep 2008 Posts: 1786
sums up Irish football really...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=affbvK4UZgc&feature=player_embedded#!


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We Don't Care
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Colm Meaney
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:52 am Reply with quote
Joined: 09 Jun 2011 Posts: 50
Sure isnt it all just a birra craic anyway like?
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Hugh Scully
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:57 am Reply with quote
Joined: 29 May 2012 Posts: 243
back to Quark's with you O'Brien!
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thejuice
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:22 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 3299 Location: Dena Lagu
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Taranis
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:08 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 1887 Location: Inis, An Clįr/Cambridge, UK/Heidelberg, Germany
Fuck him. Even though he did come to visit my old club back home for their 50th anniversary and give them a rake of VIP passes for the Argentina game.
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mower liberation front
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:14 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 1547 Location: Somewhere Out In Space
BotS wrote:
If that kind of money can't keep a LoI running then the league is doomed!


Well, the loan? That was for the astropark, which we've been paying off, though I think technically it's a seperate company and have always allowed the FAI to use for numerous things free of charge. The 25 grand was three years ago, partly for organising things to celebrate the whole "FAI AGM Nationwide Roadshow!" had hit County Monaghan.

I found out last night the reason Betfair pulled out of sponsoring us was because the FAI told them to get away from us. Same happened with Tennants, the FAI felt there may have been a conflict of interest. As for the FAI helping us find a replacement sponsor? An out and out lie - they did fuck all.
End result, we've embarrassed the FAI and they are out to bury us. Fuck 'em.
Reality set in last night at Gortakeegan, we finished off the last of the Mondogs. It could be worse I guess, we're just out of the league, and not out of business. Probably end up going to a few more U-19 games next season (unless we've been kicked out of that).


GOLIATH wrote:
WHAT COUNTRY HAS A PREMIER LEAGUE CLUB THAT ONLY ATTRACTS 250/750 SUPPORTERS TO THEIR HOME GAMES?


You still have UCD. But the FAI are scared of all their lawyers. Laughing
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BotS
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:54 pm Reply with quote
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Robbed this of another forum... its an excellent post. A Drogheda United fan...

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The league and football in the country is rotten to the core. But here is just a brief indication of the mentalness of the whole situation.

The cost of entry into the league of Ireland is 19k.

The breakdown of prize money is as follows:


1.100,000
2.45,000
3.25,000
4.15,000
5.10,000
6.7,500
7.6,000
8.5,000
9.5,000
10.5,000
11.5,000
12.5,000


So unless you finish top 3, you have already lost a minimum of 4k upon entry.

The 19k does not include matchday official costs. These are roughly 1200 per game, or roughly 120 tickets sold. Drogheda were due 17 home games this season before mons went. Thats a further 20,400 euro to be paid out. Therefore any club has outgoings of just under 40k in money paid out to the Fai before a ball is even kicked. The only real money you can budget to come in from the Fai is 5k.

Tv money has been taken away from clubs. Rte still fork out the money, but it goes directly to the Fai. The fai claim this trickles down into prize money.

In effect, very little prize money is offered from the Fai. There is something like a 5k difference in what is accumalated by the 19k entrance fees and total prize money. (The data is from last season when there was 10 teams, iv assumed that the extra two teams each get 5k as well, but the likelyhood is slim, meaning prize money would be less than what the clubs put in.)

In previous seasons, Cup finalists have had to pay a fee upon reaching the final to cover the costs of their own medals.


The fai make money from sponsors and television for the League. There are deals in place with EA, Ford, Newstalk, Lucozade, Eircom, Airtricity etc. etc. Where does this go?? Does money come from the Fai to the clubs in any other way? Or does it all go into the big debt? Bit ironic that the sponsors are claiming to be sponsors of the league then.

John Delaney currently earns 400k a year. Whilst employees of the Fai have been let go, his wages have increased under his own order. This is corruption and cronyism of the highest. Any one who seen the picture of the man in this weeks papers will know exactly what a tool he is.

The fai have also been known to be very quick to take money off clubs in the form of fines. My latest favourite is for shels fans signing "Rte is fcuking ****e!". Shelbourne have pleaded lately with their fans to stop mentioning delaney in songs as they cannot afford the repeated fines every time his name is mentioned. Delaney was stripped of his footwear and basically made a twat of by irish fans in Poland this week. Fine? Nah Money behind the bar for the lads having the craic!!

The past two weeks have been very bleak for Irish football. Were the club rumored to have a meeting tomorrow also go to the wall, then it could be said without a doubt, that what should have been two of the greatest weeks in Irish footballing history will go down as its darkest two. Delaney needs to walk on the back of the past two weeks. A complete revamp of the league is needed. The figures above make no sense and show exactly what monaghan were facing when they had tiny crowds and zero sponsorship. There but for the grace of god (well hunky doreys and the supporters) go us, and who knows this time next year it could be us. After looking into those figures a bit more, I have 100 times more respect for any body running a football club in this country.

I also have 100 times more respect for any one who continues to support the league. The general public of Monaghan should hang their heads in shame. They are a disgrace. Any other newly promoted club usually sees a boost in crowds. Mick cooke brought them to two cup semis and inches from the premier league. Roddy got them to the premier and yet they still couldnt even jump on a bandwagon.

Lestor and any other mons fan on here, I can only express my symphaties. I dont know what id end up doing where Drogheda to face the same fate. Hopefully you can keep the club going in some form and come back some day into hopefully a better ran league. I also hope you look down your nose at every monaghan person with a premier league jersey on.
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Taranis
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:54 pm Reply with quote
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That's some excellent stuff there, all of it hits the nail right on the head.
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DISRUPTER
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:07 am Reply with quote
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http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/football-pays-its-respects-to-roque

RIP Miki Roque, 23 year old ex Liverpool player, lost his battle with Cancer
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Nekroculchie
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:02 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 1015 Location: Cork
Shit. I knew he had to give up football but I just thought that at his age he would be ok. He looked like a handy player when he scored a vital goal in the FA Youth Cup final a few years ago. R.I.P
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Paul keohane
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:44 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 2788 Location: Carrigaline,Co Cork
good 3-0 away win for us tonight,Rovers got a serious hammering at Bohs by the sounds of it,nice to see Keith Fahy in playing the drums with the Pats fans tonight.
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prof. wedgie
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:55 pm Reply with quote
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Van Persie has confirmed he won't be signing a new contract, I guess there really is no more loyalty in football

http://robinvanpersie.com/2012/07/04/update-for-the-fans/
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Disgorging Legion
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:19 pm Reply with quote
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It's a job though. He'll be getting more money for doing the same job, play alongside better players, greater chance of winning something and probably live in somewhere like Barcelona. Probably not the worst decision he'll ever make.
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