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| Nerd |
 Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:22 am |
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| jesus christ - there is no punishment severe enough |
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| ToxicTwin |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:08 pm |
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Ariaga 2 wrote: Quote: There's nothing in that article to suggest that he was mentally ill.
No? Not to get into a debate/row on mental illnesses mate, but just because he doesn't fit into a neat categorisation of illness such as the examples you gave, doesn't mean that there is no mental instability present.
Look at his convictions
He has 55 previous convictions including threatening to kill or seriously harm his mother, breach of a protection order, possession of knives, robbery and throwing drugs over the wall of Mountjoy Prison.
Not to mention the horrific assault on the Polish lad, and the fact that he sauntered off for something to eat afterwards. Surely you can't justify that as normal behaviour? Would a sane person do that after commiting such an act?
Who said anything about justifying it as normal behaviour? As its far from what is deemed to be socially acceptable then it clearly isn't. That does not mean that the guy is mentally ill though, far from it. I've worked with people in the past who have had more than 55 convictions & they were out walking about too. Just because you have that amount of convictions does not mean you are mentally ill. Maybe, to use common parlance, he's just a Scumbag? No? This case is quite different from someone who, for example, might stab someone because they were experiencing command hallucinations telling them to do it. That's why this guy is going to Prison presumably & not receiving a Hospital Order. |
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| BobbyTheBuzz |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:44 pm |
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3 of them sentenced to life/12 years/7 years...
isnt is really comforting to know that these three little fucks will prob all be walking the streets again in 10 years time time.... |
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| seppuku |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:03 pm |
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| Less probably, the fucking vermin. No justice for the Rzeszutko family. The whole affair is sickening and saddening. |
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| thejuice |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:45 pm |
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A significant body of opinion holds that where amorality has become entrenched to the extent that someone who is not suffering from any recognised mental illness is able to do this sort of thing.
It's not being mentally ill, it is a matter of lacking moral principles.
They will, quite simply never be safe to be let free in society again. |
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| Caller of the Black |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:53 pm |
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| He suspended the final three years of Stephen Byrne's sentence to, "give him hope". What about the hopes of the victim and his family? Scant fucking regard they got. |
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| ToxicTwin |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:55 pm |
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thejuice wrote:
It's not being mentally ill, it is a matter of lacking moral principles.
Spot on. |
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| Padre Pio |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:25 pm |
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Caller of the Black wrote: He suspended the final three years of Stephen Byrne's sentence to, "give him hope". What about the hopes of the victim and his family? Scant fucking regard they got.
This phrase is a cliché, but I honestly cannot get my head around that. What has he done to deserve "hope"? |
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| ToxicTwin |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:23 pm |
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From RTE News -
"Morgan kicked and stamped on his head, the court was told.
Judge White said the jury rightly convicted him of murder and he sentenced him to life in prison.
He also said that if he thought the Court of Criminal Appeal would uphold a life sentence for manslaughter, to which the other two pleaded guilty, he would have no hesitation in imposing it.
Byrne, who has 55 previous convictions and was on bail at the time of the attack, expressed remorse for what had happened.
The court heard that the thinking and reasoning of Byrne was exceeded by 96% of his peers."
This might've been a consideration Padre, although I'm only basing that on the limited information at hand. At the least, that guy has a low IQ which would help explain the continued offending. He could be deemed to be limited in capacity or having a learning difficulty although you'd need more info. to determine that. Saying that he would've imposed life flies somewhat in the face of suspending part of the sentence though. |
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| kunt 4 life |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:34 pm |
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Its the pure randomness that always worries me. You could be completely minding your own business, harming no one then all of a sudden, some scum bag takes a dislike to you and you've had.
Zero tolerance is whats needed. And consider this. IF a dog bites a child or is considered dangerous, its put down. Why dont we do this to some people?
And this scene from Death Wish 3 always puts a smile on my face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEOml1f8wj4
We need Charles Bronson. |
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| stabmasterarson |
| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:16 pm |
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This is sickening, but not as random as it would seem. Sure there are random attacks, but if it had been one of those scumbags on their own, there would have been no altercation. The only random thing about the incident is that they crossed paths.
Passing more than one or two knackers hanging out, or if you're walking down a street alone at night, it is best to have a dead look in your eyes and a purpose in your walk...having a look on your face that says 'Don't fucking bother' helps too. They generally go for stragglers and those that look like they could be easily intimidated...the more you are outnumbered, the more likely you are to get hassled. Also, if asked for a smoke, just give them a look as if they're shit on your shoes...but don't say anything. It pisses them off and makes them shout stuff at you, as you walk on, but they show their true weakness by not trying to attack you on their own. Nutters are a different story though!
I cowered from the scum in the 90's when bashing hippies was a past time for them, but it made me far more equipped to deal with similar situations...their bullshit attacks trained me how to deal with them! haha |
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