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< Music Gear ~ Tube Vs Solid State Vs Digital Amp Modelling? |
| if6was9 |
 Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:39 pm |
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Regarding the effects before or after the amp I do both in the studio. Some effects pedals have a cool character to them that can't be recreated by plugins. Some chorus, phase, flange and delay pedals create a cool vibe and I'm not opposed to using them into the amp if it gets the tone where it needs to be and it sounds good. I've alot of different pedals on hand when recording/reamping guitar for this reason.
The only exception to that for me is reverb as you want to be able to control where you're placing everything in the space of the mix so having a reverb printed on guitar can be a disaster. Software is also awesome at reverb and alot of pedals aren't great too so I always add it after. |
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| Emphyrio |
| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:33 pm |
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| ya its reverb I'm mainly curious about. Sound Ciaran |
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| LittleDaveSoundEngineer |
| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:29 pm |
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+1 ciaran's post about reverbs delays etc
Pedal generated reverb will in almost all cases be a mono entity. Even multiple layers, panned hard L and R will still be multiple mono reverbs, not creating any realistic space.
Send (in stereo) your various channels of guitars to a good stereo reverb plug on a wet return channel. That'll give you a realistic space.
FYI protools has a handy button in the sends window called F.M.P. (follow main pan) . Call up one send, click FMP, and then ALT+drag the send onto the channels you want the reverb on. Quick and easy. You can even group the sends (Mix window, highlight guitar channels, CMD+G , then choose to group only mix parameters, only send levels) left click moves all sends proportionally , right click moves one send.
Have fun |
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| connorputrefy |
| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:01 pm |
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| hmmm how the fuck did this post get from amps to post applied reverb in the studio!? Anyways i got me orange dark terror the other day, a damn tasty demon of an amp!!! Heavy as fuck which can be driven to the eyeballs! 15w is surprisingly loud which can be played against drums however i took it up to the studio last night and gave it a try through various cabs mainly 2x12 and 4x12. I found that the amp sounds at its best through 2x12 and sounds good through 4x12 however i found that it seemed to lose low end. Is this because its 15w and doesnt have enough power to drive the speakers to full capacity? That saying its class and more than probably be the main source of guitar track laying come album time. Its a total tone box. One thing i gotta say is that its SMALL!!!! All amps should be this size!!!! It kinda reminds me of a gallien kruger combo my mate has, in around the same size which has 2 tiny speakers in it but is..........120w and would blow the head off ye!! |
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| LittleDaveSoundEngineer |
| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:57 pm |
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Ok, back on topic.
I reckon it's gotta be tube.
Anyone who disagrees has probably fallen for the relentless marketing idea of the last 3 decades (from a time where PA was vocals only) that an amp with less than 100W output power is for kids.
Actually it's quite the opposite.
How many times have you turned your 100W tubesomething past halfway? or even close to halfway? It would be too loud for a gigging situation. (unless you're doing a stadium tour) and the result is, it sounds tame at a useable volume because the tubes aren't reaching the temperature at which the magic happens.
I wish more people would get behind the idea of 15W, 20W tube heads. Turn them up, get the tubes red hot, while maintaining a useable stage volume.
That would be the day!
The dark terror you mentioned Conor, that's 15W or so i think? Perfect example of what manufacturers should be producing (IMO) |
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| wizardinblack |
| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:48 am |
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LittleDaveSoundEngineer wrote: Ok, back on topic.
I reckon it's gotta be tube.
Anyone who disagrees has probably fallen for the relentless marketing idea of the last 3 decades (from a time where PA was vocals only) that an amp with less than 100W output power is for kids.
Actually it's quite the opposite.
How many times have you turned your 100W tubesomething past halfway? or even close to halfway? It would be too loud for a gigging situation. (unless you're doing a stadium tour) and the result is, it sounds tame at a useable volume because the tubes aren't reaching the temperature at which the magic happens.
I wish more people would get behind the idea of 15W, 20W tube heads. Turn them up, get the tubes red hot, while maintaining a useable stage volume.
That would be the day!
The dark terror you mentioned Conor, that's 15W or so i think? Perfect example of what manufacturers should be producing (IMO)
Sense, sense and sense.
As regards Tube v Solid State which has the best tone? There no contest and no argument, boobs n tubes all they way - Solid state is great too, especially for home recording. |
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| Hill |
| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:49 pm |
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A lot of bands though are looking preamp distortion more than power amp distortion so driving the tubes isn't going to get them the sound they're after.
Personally with bass I like a bit of grit to my sound so cranking a tube amp sounds brilliant to me |
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| moose |
| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:58 pm |
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Hill wrote: A lot of bands though are looking preamp distortion more than power amp distortion so driving the tubes isn't going to get them the sound they're after.
Personally with bass I like a bit of grit to my sound so cranking a tube amp sounds brilliant to me
Driving pre amp tubes will give you pre amp distortion. Have you confused yourself a bit there? |
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| Hill |
| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:18 am |
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| Yeah I know but I'm talking about the higher wattage amps having more headroom so people aren't looking that sort of break up hence the higher wattages |
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| Tazz |
| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:03 am |
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| Anyone tried an Atomic Reactor with a POD type FX unit? |
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| Chooch |
| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:25 pm |
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Anyone else using Bugera tube heads? Looking to pick up a 333XL which is modelled on the Engl Invader (or Powerball, cant remember which) but less than a quarter of the price.
Heard all kinds of good stuffs on the 6260/6262's, but not much on these. |
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| skadk666 |
| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:01 am |
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| Yeah I use a 6262, absolute beast! I've played the 333xl as well and its a savage amp but I prefer the 6262, much more of a barebones approach and doesnt take long to dial in a killer tone. But you really cant go wrong with either of them! |
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| Leather Mike |
| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:55 am |
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Chooch wrote: Anyone else using Bugera tube heads? Looking to pick up a 333XL which is modelled on the Engl Invader (or Powerball, cant remember which) but less than a quarter of the price.
Heard all kinds of good stuffs on the 6260/6262's, but not much on these.
The 333 is actually based on a Peavey Triple X.
If you're going for a Bugera, give their Tri-Rec Infinium a look. No prizes for guessing which amp it's apeing. Best thing about it? A variable attenuator on the forn tof the amp that allows you to change the output from anywhere between 5 and 100 watts. I know it's what i'm lookign at. |
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| Chooch |
| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:23 pm |
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Leather Mike wrote: The 333 is actually based on a Peavey Triple X.
If you're going for a Bugera, give their Tri-Rec Infinium a look.
My bad, from playthroughs and reviews I think it just resembles an Engl way more than a Peavey.
Not much of a Mesa fan, too vintage sounding for me. 
Found these AMT pedals aswell, pretty much aping every decent amp out there, favourable reviews, look a bit gimmicky though. |
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| connorputrefy |
| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:10 pm |
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| I had a 333 at a point. Not a bad amp at all but really lacks in things such as plastic dials,grilling etc. I eventually went looking for the real deal, a peavey xxx. I would say if you toured alot , the bugera stuff would take a helluva beating and bits would be falling off them left right and centre. However, sound wise, theyre pretty good. |
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