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nev_crucifracture
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:29 pm Reply with quote
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Seen on another thread about this topic:


Public Order act of 1994. Section 8:
Section 8 of the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 1994 was designed to create an offence of failure to comply with a direction from a member of the Gardai to desist (or stop) from such conduct in circumstances where the Garda concerned has a reasonable apprehension (or fear) for the safety of persons or property or for the maintenance of the public peace. The section represents a sensible approach where people are acting contrary to section 4, 5 or 6 (above) and the Gardai are of the view that to simply nip in the bud the potential trouble they can direct such people simply “move on” without having to apply the full force of the criminal law through arresting, charging and bringing before the courts such people.
It shall be an offence to fail to comply, without reasonable excuse or lawful authority, with a direction given by a Garda under this section. Any person convicted of this offence is liable on summary conviction to a class D fine or to a maximum term of 6 months in prison or both.
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Squire
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:01 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 2067 Location: Trapped in the tunnel of goats
As much as I feel bad for him getting arrested he was given ample opportunity to fuck off from a situation which didn't involve him, nor did he know what it was about other than a police incident (pretty much his own words).

The pepper spraying was definitely excessive force, but showing off you've gotten out of the cuffs is doing you no favours. In that situtation you should be saying yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir and be glad you haven't got your arse handed to you in the back of the van.

Also, I call bullshit on him knowing what the sections were about when confronted by the Garda. "I meditated and made music by tapping", fucking hell - I would have pepper sprayed him after reading that.
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latrine animal
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:10 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 656
Black Shepherd Carnage wrote:
Are counter-demonstrations legal now? I thought rallies had to get an official green light and that two sides were never given the green light for the same day.

you have the freedom of assembly in r.o.i., you don't have to request permission.
obviously different up north....
i think this is affected when it becomes a threat to public order, so there is a grey area as well... i assume this is a call made on the ground not in terms of requesting permission.
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Jesus Phish
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:01 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 1744 Location: dublin
Squire wrote:

The pepper spraying was definitely excessive force, but showing off you've gotten out of the cuffs is doing you no favours. In that situtation you should be saying yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir and be glad you haven't got your arse handed to you in the back of the van.


He's the only one to say he was pepper sprayed. Unlike the rest of his adventure, there's no video footage to back it up.
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jedifart
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:36 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 7987 Location: The Great Pit of Carkoon
Indymedia. No point in reading that really, as it's likely to be nothing other than propaganda and sensationalism. What an utterly horrible website. Sub-tabloid 'journalism' with a dangerously one-sided political agenda.

Hopefully that lad won't be as foolish again.
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Metalwrath
Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:04 pm Reply with quote
Joined: 23 Nov 2008 Posts: 1763 Location: Greystones
So an alleged metalhead showed his true colors and acted like a scumbag at a protest.There is always one individual who will get himself arrested for being a prick trying to start trouble and then claim he was an innocent victim who was mistreated by the law.

I wouldn't feel sorry for them even if they did get the shit kicked out of them anyway for what they were protesting against anyway.

There has been such shameless actions being carried out by this 'pro-life' supporters.

One of the worst being harrasing rape victims.
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Quid
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:31 am Reply with quote
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nev_crucifracture wrote:
Seen on another thread about this topic:


Public Order act of 1994. Section 8:
Section 8 of the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 1994 was designed to create an offence of failure to comply with a direction from a member of the Gardai to desist (or stop) from such conduct in circumstances where the Garda concerned has a reasonable apprehension (or fear) for the safety of persons or property or for the maintenance of the public peace. The section represents a sensible approach where people are acting contrary to section 4, 5 or 6 (above) and the Gardai are of the view that to simply nip in the bud the potential trouble they can direct such people simply “move on” without having to apply the full force of the criminal law through arresting, charging and bringing before the courts such people.
It shall be an offence to fail to comply, without reasonable excuse or lawful authority, with a direction given by a Garda under this section. Any person convicted of this offence is liable on summary conviction to a class D fine or to a maximum term of 6 months in prison or both.


Are plainclothes Gardai obligated to show any sort of identification? Yer man in the video doesn't appear to.
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Dark Stranger
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:39 am Reply with quote
Joined: 06 Jun 2005 Posts: 14962 Location: Holding a fiery stride
pedro wrote:
If the lad looked like a typical scumbag from Gardiner Street or somewhere we wouldn't even be discussing this. We often have reactions like 'hanging isn't good enough for them' to news of skangers causing trouble in Dublin then expect that someone can continuously interfere with police business and then push them? I'm not a huge fan of biffos throwing their weight around but there has to be some rules and yes I've seen cops in America beat the shit out of lads for acting in the same way, cops in the UK, German cops very nice usually but you act like that they'll throw you through a window. And no I'm definitely not advocating Ravendark's views sorry man Smile[/list]


Been waiting the whole thread for someone to say this - are people only supporting this fool because he's a metalhead? If he was dressed like a skanger we'd be laughing and saying he got what he deserved.
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Worthless Recluse
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:56 am Reply with quote
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Leather Mike wrote:


what the fuck's a paladin?


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Worthless Recluse
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:58 am Reply with quote
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Metalwrath wrote:


I wouldn't feel sorry for them even if they did get the shit kicked out of them anyway for what they were protesting against anyway.

There has been such shameless actions being carried out by this 'pro-life' supporters.

One of the worst being harrasing rape victims.


Um... you do know he was part of the pro-choice counter-protest?
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Snatchgrabber
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:53 am Reply with quote
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Metalwrath wrote:
So an alleged metalhead showed his true colors and acted like a scumbag at a protest.There is always one individual who will get himself arrested for being a prick trying to start trouble and then claim he was an innocent victim who was mistreated by the law.

I wouldn't feel sorry for them even if they did get the shit kicked out of them anyway for what they were protesting against anyway.

There has been such shameless actions being carried out by this 'pro-life' supporters.

One of the worst being harrasing rape victims.


Once again proving you are the most gormless tool on this board, keep up the good work
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Metalwrath
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:21 am Reply with quote
Joined: 23 Nov 2008 Posts: 1763 Location: Greystones
Worthless Recluse wrote:
Metalwrath wrote:


I wouldn't feel sorry for them even if they did get the shit kicked out of them anyway for what they were protesting against anyway.

There has been such shameless actions being carried out by this 'pro-life' supporters.

One of the worst being harrasing rape victims.


Um... you do know he was part of the pro-choice counter-protest?

Ah ok didn't see that part.
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metalotter
Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:10 am Reply with quote
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ACAB
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